Whirling and Wild E-Poets

Wednesday, August 10, 2005

Welcome to the Home of Wild and Whirling E-Poets

Beware Poets Wilding:

Hello and welcome to the second blog spot dedicated to the poetry of the students in Dr. Brady's Summer 2005 class, The Writing of Poetry, at Youngstown State University.

This website contains a Wild and Whirling words project, ala H.L. Hix.

Six poets drew anonymous email accounts so noone would know who was who and each submitted a poem. Through emails, the six poets made comments on each other's work.

The results are published here. I think you will find the project an interesting read. I hope you enjoy your time here. Stay as long as you want.

I would also like to extend a hearty thank you to all the participants of my project. I know you all had many things going on during this project, and I am eternally thankful for your time and effort in seeing this trough to its completion.

The following poets are represented here:

Chad
Michael
Jana
John
Jennifer
Karissa

sonnet29's poem

On 7/26/05 sonnet29@gmail.com wrote:

Dilemma

Courage grasps at heaven.
An ominous weight presses down where the ideal exists.
Its presence lays heavily upon everyman's breast
causing untold cowardice in our hearts---in love and in battle.
The standard's set lofty and
fear provides us a sticky foothold.

On 8/9/05 neutraltones@gmail.com wrote:

This poem doesn't really go anywhere. It is one of those moments where the reader says,
"I get it," and moves on. Not that the subject matter isn't inspiring, it is just that I feel the poet needs to move the poem further into that other place where the silence poetry strives to give sound to needed to be more resonant. I needed a twist for such a potentially sappy topic.


On 8/10/05 w w redwheelbarrowpoet@gmail.com wrote:

Very little imagery here. I'm having trouble seeing this. It's rather a play on definitions. It's sort of preachy. This is what I would like to feel after seeing images to make me react in such a manner. There's just not enough imagery here for me to feel I've experienced anything except someone's view of cowardice versus courage. I like the tone, yet there is little here. Where's the beef?

On 8/10/05 E secondcomingpoet@gmail.com wrote:

You know when I first saw this attached to the poem before it Ithought someone was making very poetic commentary. It still soundslike commentary, but now I wonder what the poet is really commentingon? There is something interesting here--"fear provides us a stickyfoothold"--but I am having trouble applying it. Take this and addsome concrete images (Yeah, I know I keep harping on that); you've gotto give us someting to hang our hats on! As it is now this could bepro-war or anti-war or anti-taxes or simply a rant on the poet's wife!It is just too abstract to tell. "E"

On 8/10/05 t e hollowmenpoet@gmail.com wrote:

In some senses, it seems a little cliche: the deep philosophy, theheroic idea. i love the reference to everyman, though. it gets meeverytime. as much as i want to love the love and battle idea, itsounds a little like love and war. may be keep the same idea,definitely keep the idea of everyman, but try to stem somewhere new.

On 8/10/05 j d holysonnetx@gmail.com wrote:

I like the idea of courage reaching, trying to grasp toward heaven. The language is elevated in this poem. However, some of the words (cowardice, heaven, hearts and battle) are too abstract.

holysonnetx's poem

Hi Chad.
This is my poem that has made the rounds. It seems like everyone had some really helpful comments. As far as the repetition of the word naked, well the poem I was modeling was called Morning. I used the word naked at every point in the poem that Neruda used morning in his. Thanks...this has been fun.


From: j d holysonnetx@gmail.com Date: Jul 23, 2005 11:43 AM

Naked
after Pablo Neruda

Naked, we paint a portrait with impure tongues,
slick, milky, soft, transient, ripe:
we are flesh-seekers, at-ease:
naked, our skin is folded like simple paper hearts.

Naked, we are light as an Eskimo kiss;
we have wine dripping from our lips;
naked, we topple toward the morning
like snowflakes floating to the ground.

Naked, we are sticky like cotton candy-
hot, silent, matted, we bathe each other
solely with the sweet stain of lovemaking,
as if our sins will somehow erase like burning stars:
our offenses just needing too much-
become the color between the space.

On 7/25/05, t e hollowmenpoet@gmail.com wrote:

I love some of the images that dance across the page. For instance, we bathe each other solely with the sweet stain of lovemaking and the idea of impure tongues truly hits home. I would consider trying to reword some of the similes to ease on the like and as. They tend to trip up the flow and sound almost cliche when used so often. Although I find the last line interesting, i don't really understand it. I feel like I'm missing something, but I'm not sure exactly what that is. Overall, a very interesting subject. Tweak it and I think you've really got something!

From: t h <neutraltones@gmail.com>Date: Jul 26, 2005 11:59 PM

I would change the repetition of 'naked.' In this poem, the repetition almost seems forced. Repetition should complement the poem, not interfere with it and I think 'naked' does just that. How much more effective would the poem had been with just the title "Naked" and no mention of the word in the poem? I also agree that the cliches could've been done better. The language play is clever, but the elimination of the trite would go a long way to improving this poem into something great. I love sex poems because besides the actual act, and the possible exception of rock and roll music, nothing captures sex like a well-written poem. This poem could possibly serve as a sequel to "To His Coy Mistress"taken to the next level.

On 7/26/05, w w redwheelbarrowpoet@gmail.com wrote:

The imagery is vivid and hypnotic. I like the sound of naked though it may be over-used. "our skin is folded like simple paper hearts" is powerful. I also like"color between the space" as a conclusion. Some of the lines read a> bit like cliches such as, "flesh-seekers," "topple toward the morning," and "sticky like cotton candy." It is a very sensuous piece. It makes me a bit frisky. Oh, I'm sorry. I got caught in the tempting mood.The poem is delicious and inviting. God, I hope a woman wrote this. If not, forget what I said. You need to break up "slick, milky, soft, transient, ripe." There's too much there to savor. Also, transient kills the mood. Overall though, I could eat this one up. Sorry. Your mood carries me away. This is exactly how I want a poem to make me feel. Good work!

From: w s sonnet29@gmail.com Date: Jul 27, 2005 2:55 PM

More action verbs might strengthen the piece. It was sensuous andsensual; I began salivating as I read it; the imagery was rewarding.The final stanza feels weaker--why "offenses and sins"--these wordsand ideas seem to detract from the poem's initial effect. Yet this isthe way we tend to beat ourselves up.

From: E <secondcomingpoet@gmail.com>Date: Aug 2, 2005 9:24 PM

I disagree with some of the comments here. The repetition of "Naked"doesn't distract, I think it reinforces the moment the poet isreliving. On the other hand, while some of the imagery is wonderfullyfresh and startling ( our skin is folded like simple paper hearts, thecolor between the space, light as an Eskimo kiss) some is too ordinaryif not cliche (snowflakes floating to the ground).I love the soundplay in "we are flesh-seekers, at-ease", now can youdo that with "slick, milky, soft, transient, ripe"? The first threeand the last one here are concrete, visual, but have no strong soundconnection. "Transient" while interesting seems too abstract. Playwith that line some more.Overall this is a good poem. I like the voice; as someone else said,it's frisky.Good stuff. "E"

secondcomingpoet's poem

From: w y <secondcomingpoet@gmail.com>> Date: Jul 23, 2005 5:38 PM

Cream City Bricks

The grade school on 18th Street
had the same hard black brick
as all the others, charcoal outside,
soft and yellow inside.
The hallway walls wore
crayon meanderings, up
the warm, wooden stair to the third
grade, where Miss Schneider
read us stories—gave out
the gold stars I coveted
in neat lines next to my name
on her clean white chart.

I didn't know about the
buttery insides of bricks till David,
the kid with buckteeth,
who died driving drunk
somewhere in Saigon,
threw stones at me and missed,
taking golden chips
out of the dark façade.

The year they sand-blasted the courthouse
we went downtown on the bus
every Saturday
to see the next installment of gold appear,
like sunrise slowly crawling
over that domed horizon.

Even South Division High,
where I left my illusions,
came clean under the harsh interrogation
of sand and steam.

But always,
in a year or so, the dark effects
of weathering crept back,
smeared over the brick
like a scum of dirt and straw that
floats on new milk in the pail.

In the dairies, my uncles
skimmed milk, turned cream
into pale Wisconsin butter,
then came home to complain of cows,
low wages, and hippies
in the old neighborhood bars.

I loved those East-side bars—
biker bars squeezed between
the headshops and Watertower Park,
where you could get three good hits of
white-cross for two bucks,
or strawberry mescaline on Sunday,
where we learned to stay away from
crazy Pete's weed laced with dust.

By graduation I knew three dead boys,
David and Pete and Michael.

Michael, all light and music,
danced his motorcycle
off the 16th Street viaduct.
My dad, who'd never liked long hair,
chanted a new lyric about
murdercycles.

But I remember the vibration
between my thighs
on one forbidden ride
and the heat
of pale, creamy skin
under black leather.


-E-

holysonnetx@gmail.com Date: Jul 28, 2005 10:44 AM

The first thing I notice about this poem is the interesting title. I have read the poem many, many times, and I am still not sure why the poet has titled it this. The first half of the poem is about bricks; the second part connects the "cream city" concept. But, the last five stanzas lose the brick thread. Unless, the boys who have died are metaphorically bricks? That is one interesting possibility. I like the title. I would just like to see it connected more throughout the entire poem. Some images I really admire in this poem are the "coveted gold stars," and the "Strawberry mescaline on Sunday." Strong stuff!!!! I remember those gold stars that I rarely was awarded. I was a bit confused with the lines: I didn't know about the buttery insides of bricks till David, the kid with the buckteeth, who died driving drunk somewhere in Saigon... I understand what the poet was trying to do, but I think it would be> clearer if he/she said something else like, "who would die years later..." The way the poem is written made me stop and think twice about the time of death. The brick images are strong, but I am not sure about the word "buttery." It's a fresh image and goes well with the idea of this cream city. I just have a bit of a hard time with seeing these fragile bricks as buttery. It almost brings the poem to a magical point which I am not sure the poet intends. I love the couplet: "By graduation I knew three dead boys, David and Pete and Michael" I love how the poet did not use commas to set the names off. For me it is the most powerful part of the poem. "Danced his motorcycle" is a great example of a poem using poignant verbs. Overall, I like the second part of the poem more. I think that while revising, the poet should let the narrative take place earlier in the poem to leak the rich images of this place. The ending is just wonderful. I wonder if this could be a series of poems. There is so much here in this poem. Thanks for sharing.

On 7/31/05, t e hollowmenpoet@gmail.com wrote:

what absolutely fascinates me most about this poem is the mystical stroll down memory lane. although i was not along for any of the rides, motorcycle or not, i felt as though i sat in on the experiences. the imagery, the specified situations narrated in a twisted light, created a harsh reality that pulled me in. this is real life, no sentimentality, not sugar coated. we either experienced it, or stood in horror as we were told about others who experienced it. the only idea i had was to shorten the first stanza a bit. although realistic, it's a little lengthy and makes the poem take too long to get to the meat. i feel like i'm saying only positives, but that's mostly what i felt toward the poem. i really loved the way the era was made obvious by allusions to saigon and weed. the poem pulled me in so deeply i lost the title, especially when i got to the line,"by graduation i knew..."! Fresh and vivid; i loved it!

From: w w <redwheelbarrowpoet@gmail.com>Date: Aug 1, 2005 12:52 AM

The writer has a strong and distinctive voice. The images are so vivid and thought-provoking. I can picture the maze of crayon meanderings the hallway wore, and recall my own elementary school experiences immediately. I don't know that the speaker is referring to Warren's Courthouse, but if not, I remember when its domed facade was blasted clean of its murky gray into a golden tan. Some said they liked it better dirty. I suppose many towns sandblasted their courthouses. That's what makes the poem universal, among the other images. I like the milk pail connection to the pale Wisconsin butter. The sound and meaning play illustrates how the same sounds contrast different meanings. It acts a not only a connective string but also an interesting contrast. The father's "murdercycle" was very melodious and clever, even if it was a cliche from long ago. This serves to not only highlight the father's logical concerns but also his closemindedness concludes with the daring risk of the speaker, which makes the reader's heart flutter with a twinge of danger, though the speaker lived to tell. Perhaps the first stanza took too long to get the poem off the ground, though it works. I too was mildly confused by the"buttery insides of bricks," and whether the poet was being literal or playful and figurative. Other than that, I loved the flow of the poem and how it carried the reader in its indirect connection of images.Very clever.

From: t h <neutraltones@gmail.com>Date: Aug 1, 2005 10:44 PM

The comments given by the other critics all seem to hit home. As formy own reaction, I am intrigued by the narrative style of the poem. It is a strange beast, this poem, because it seems to be a prose poem without the prose. I am not sure htat makes any sense, but the form ofthe poem is linear, but reads like a story. Yet there is a definite feeling of rhythm. I am not too sure about meter, per se, but definitely a rhythm...especially when the poem if read out loud. As for the content, I love the bricks. I know exactly what you talking about. I am struck, too, by the relationship between the characters of the poem. This speaker is coming from a world I have only heard about but never experienced. It was a bit out of my timeframe. That doesn't devalue the experience of the poem for me, though, as it is a human poem with emotions that all can relate to. If I were to offer any advice for a revision, I would suggest tighten the meter to engage the reader even more. I suppose my lack of advice for improving it is a good sign that the poet has something special here by my reckoning.

From: w s <sonnet29@gmail.com>Date: Aug 4, 2005 3:37 PM

Some images could be fresher for my taste. It's an interestingreflection with some good images: "new milk in the pail," "harsh interrogation," "domed horizon. " Stanza 2 might be strengthened withmore creative verbs; it seemed slow here. Projections and pronouns throughout could be improved by providing solid replacements. All, of course, would be remedied in subsequent rewrites. It's not bad reading, and I may be "missing the boat," because there doesn't appear to be much for me here. Maybe a consistent meter could help.

redwheelbarrowpoet poem

From: w w <redwheelbarrowpoet@gmail.com>Date: Aug 1, 2005 1:03 AM

My journal is full of poetry, yet I am empty.
A real poet easily fills the white space.
He can turn letters, stand a word on its side,
and sprinkle meaning across the page.
He seasons with images and meter,
fresh language, and addictive patterns.

The fool uses worn-out rhythms and old clichés—
statements borrowed from scholars, preachers
actors, diplomats, and—musicians:
Wise men say, only fools rush in – Elvis
You can fool some of the people all of the time,
and all of the people some of the time,
but you can't fool all of the people all of the time – Dean Martin

Fill 'er up mister? – Sourthern Gas Station Attendant

Ven da moon is fool, you'll change into a volfman – Old Gypsey Woman

I pity da foo – Mr. T

I feel full – Taco Bell Commercial

How many people did it take to fill a phone booth in the 1950's? –

ThePoet asks.
The same as today – The Fool's Response.

A fool tells where a poet shows.
A fool is full of it—and so is a poet.
The poet just makes it sound loftier.

The fool offers: "Why don't you fill me up buttercup," by The Temptations;

The poet corrects: "Why don't you build me up buttercup," by The Foundations.
Yes, but mine fits into the pattern—the fool answers.

So what makes the poem more memorable? The pattern or the meaning?
Can we do one without thinking of the other?

It's 11:25 and I've had my fill.

She's full mister – Same Southern Gas Station Attendant

From: t h neutraltones@gmail.com Date: Jul 23, 2005 10:42 AM

I believe that the poet did not intentionally decide to paste his/her poem that many times. I read through it and saw no variation. I truly relate to this poem right now as I, too, am starting to scrape the bottom of the poetic barrel. I particularly admire the fee-flowing style of this poem and the repetitions. I love the amost stream of consciousness feel to the poem, though it may be a bit too disjointed. I think when there is an interruption to the flow, it should make some sense. Overall, though this poem amuses me, and I guess that should be the goal of any poem: to illicit an emotional response from the reader/listener. Whirl on Whirlings

From: w s sonnet29@gmail.com Date: Jul 26, 2005 12:15 PM

The white space was filled, letters turned, meanings sprinkled, images seasoned and patterns addictive---as I interpreted it---5 of 8 poetic standards listed by the poet were accomplished in this piece. What is\n> the message? Freud would have little trouble interpreting the poet's free association; something I was unable. I found it interesting reading.

From: w y secondcomingpoet@gmail.com Date: Jul 27, 2005 8:27 AM

I may have committed a sin here in terms of this project, but I cut (primarily for bandwidth reasons) the repeated versions of the poem out of this forward. Suffice it to say that in the original email sent to "D" the poem was pasted in eight times with a set of 4 blank lines between each paste. If you want to see the original email just email me (E) and I will forward to you what I originally got. That said, this is an interesting poem in many ways. First of all it is a "found" poem, using snippets of quotes to drive home the point that the poet feels empty, un-creative. There is also interesting language play in the full/fool connection. What I think breaks down a bit is the rather talky style of the poem (something hard to avoid when using quotes, I know). In the sections that are the poet's own voice (stanzas 1, 2, 10, 12, 13) I want more originality than is there in the complaint. The only one that catches my attention best here is the its "11:25 and I've had my fill"--perhaps because of the concreteness of the moment. We've all felt that writer's block thing--especially when under the gun to produce--so telling us what the "real poet" in the 1st stanza does seems vs what the fool in the 2nd stanza does seems like too much explanation. The twist of using these quotes cliche to then create the poem is a lovely move, but it doesn't seem to go quite far enough for me. I want more of the poet's voice to frame the poem. I want to SEE the moment--I want sensory details in imagery, not rhetorical questions. On the other hand, as an exercise as D sonnet29 points out, this meets the poet's own criteria as well as the class journal prompts. The real question is: do you want to "fit the pattern" or go somewhere new?--roads not traveled, and all that."E"

From: j d <holysonnetx@gmail.com>> Date: Jul 28, 2005 11:00 AM

This poem is definitely a fun poem. I even saw some shards of Bukowski, which I mean as a compliment. I love the line, "It's 11:25 and I've had my fill." This task (of using cliches) is a hard one and overall I think the poet took these well known phrases and made something with them. It is just a bit too much for the poem. Either cut down the cliches, or the poem needs to be more made. I agree with secondcomingpoet when he/she says the poem needs some more images instead of rhetorical questions. The first line is rather weak in my opinion. The poet creates a paradox and doesn't attempt to really explore it. I admire what is being said as I enjoy poems about writer's block, but I do not agree with the poet's stance that a real poet easily fills the white space. I am thinking about the quote from Thomas Mann, "A writer is a person for whom writing is more difficult than it is for other people."

On 7/31/05, t e hollowmenpoet@gmail.com wrote:

i love the gas station idea. you'be taken all these crazy lines and twisted them into something new and exciting. the thread of it that echoed throughout made a disjointed poem somewhat jointed. i did question why a few of the cliche's were chosen, such as the gypsy woman one. some of the others seem to fit a specific purpose and this one kind of flew in from left field. overall, though, the approach is what really shined. it flows with creativity. in a sense, i felt as though i was reading shakespeare with all his pun craziness! this has a ton of potential, but i would consider cutting a few of the unnecessary puns!

neutraltones poem

From: t h <neutraltones@gmail.com>> > Date: Jul 22, 2005 11:11 AM

Macabre Man


Nightmare stuff given form

Flailing impossible arms
stretched.

Oval hollow pupiless orbs
vacant.

Wan bone-color face
grinning.

Thristing not for flesh but for
essence.

Emaciated unlikely corpse-husk
reeling.

Relentless horror of
moaning.

Why do you hunt?
Why is it me?

Never will I escape though I flee.
Never will I be free of thee.


From: w s sonnet29@gmail.com Date: Jul 26, 2005 3:59 PM

"The chase is afoot" in the words of the great Sherlock Holmes. Is Freddy Kruger on the prowl? A "lively" dissection of the dream parts. The description seemed pretty harmless---exception the thirst for essence---just a scary drream, a nightmare. On paper tame, interesting reading.

From: E <secondcomingpoet@gmail.com Date: Aug 2, 2005 9:01 PM

"Tame," yes. "Interesting reading"? Not so much. This isn't so much a poem as a ramble look for dark images. Dark poetry can be powerful and passionate--this isn't it. I find it difficult to care about a string of horror movie cliches and don't even want to know what happens to the you and the I in the poem. Make me see the problem! Flailing arms could be a zombie, which might be scary if you are 10 years old and believe in monsters, but it could just as easily be a rag doll. Remember that the doll isn't scary until it does something unexpected (we have to see Chuckie come to life before he's scary--this poem hasn't even breathed yet.) In the horror film it is the sudden unexpected thing that make an audience jump--that's what you need here, too, information so I could follow the poem and have some idea of its intent. It seemed like a puzzle where half the pieces are lost and I can't put it all together to form something complete. Let me give you an example. This is a bit from a poem called "Grace" Michelle Moore:

"Once, when I imagined my child's face in the hands of a killer,
I felt the plates shifting in my brain and the world darken.
It was a time when I was afraid I couldn't love the child
inside me as much as the one already born,
when the signs that madness had a mind of its own were everywhere,
like the young mother who believed the bundle in her arms
had become a rat, its pointed face nosing for frail air
while she held it firmly under water.
The world was sown with half-buried cages of bone,
and the moon was a light left burning at an unlocked door."

Note here how the poet takes an ordinary fear, a mother's worry for her child and makes it extraordinary by finding a connection to human darkness within, and bolsters it with vivd and unusual imagery (moon as light at an "unlocked door," cages of bone, . . .) That's what I want to see when I look at a hooror poem--not the direct movie horror image, but the oblique images that can leave us feeling shaken and uncertain about ourselves. "E"


On 8/3/05, j d <holysonnetx@gmail.com

I have read this poem now several times...and I just can't get into it. I like some of the images, but those images don't move the poem to any place I can appreciate. Where did the you and me stuff come in? Maybe I will have more to say after some others comment.


On 8/6/05, t e <hollowmenpoet@gmail.com

I find this poem to have some very interesting images, but I think I'm a little jaded because of the Zombie 6 poem read in class. I feel that may be this was a bit of a game focusing on comparing the gruesome to that which is not so, but it is a bit superficial for my liking. Although there were a few great lines like thirsting for flesh instead of essence, I felt like I wanted, no, needed more information so I could follow the poem and have some idea of its intent. It seemed like a puzzle where half the pieces are lost and I can't put it all together to form something complete.


From: w w <redwheelbarrowpoet@gmail.com>Date: Aug 8, 2005 8:47 PM

Quite a few fragmentary glimpses thrown at the reader from the onset.The poem needs a few vivid images and some sorth of a thread winding through it. Not much suspense here.The rhetorical questions and change to first and second perspective is too quick. The poem jumps from the onset, yet establishes little in the way of tone or imagery. To conclude with the direct statements is premature as nothing is established here. The poem needs to earn this exit. Too much telling. Not much to see here, or to feel. It seems like a C-Level late night horror flick. I like the ideas yet somehow the poem hasn't established itself as a frightening force. I think it has possibliities. You have the right ingredients, yet you need to asssemble the monster before the reader feels the need to hold the pillow before her/his eyes.

Tuesday, August 09, 2005

hollowmenpoet's poem

On 7/25/05, t e <hollowmenpoet@gmail.com> wrote:

Payment for the Deed

Sadly he stood and watched her bid farewell
Sole finger raised against the blazing sun
Never again to feel her heated lips
Time had both ripened and spoiled their love
Ah, and truly one rotten thought remained
Is this all this city has to offer?
Blood splitting cold sealed off his heart that day
A contrast to the heat they used to share
The fountain taunted his every thought
A wicked demon haunting his weak prey
He tasted strong regret within his mouth
Dark bile raising from his deed done wrong
If only rested in his troubled mind
He had not bed the maid for quite so long!


From: j d <holysonnetx@gmail.com>Date: Aug 4, 2005 12:00 AM

I am wondering if this is a sonnet that came from the very first day of class when we had to each contribute a line. This seems to besimilar in theme. I smiled when I read the last few lines. I did nottake it seriously. I am not sure that is the poet's intent. I have ahard time with the word bile. This may just be because of somemedical history I have pertaining to this word, but I think it is too foul of a word for this poem.

From: E <secondcomingpoet@gmail.com>Date: Aug 2, 2005 9:36 PM

I don't find much here I can care about. There is a bad romance novel
that redwheelbarrow pointed out or the overdone adjectives that neutraltones noticed. I like the idea of the poem--the regret afterthe sexual act, but I am too easily distraced by what sounds a bitlike arrogance on the part of the protagonist (is this all this city has to offer?)There is a serious attempt here to use visual imagery in a new way,however some of this just doesn't work (what is "blood splittingcold"?), it isn\'t approachable.Go with the theme, but lose the cliches and the archaic voice. Maybeeven lose the sonnet form--or at least lose that weak rhyme (long,wrong) in the last stanza.--E--

From: w s <sonnet29@gmail.com>Date: Jul 27, 2005 3:07 PM

The imagery was vivid and daring and memorable; although, disjointed. The poem was depressing from the first word; I find nothing in it ofconsequence. My head hurts looking at it. Love gone bad--a pity--perhaps another poem.

From: t h <neutraltones@gmail.com>Date: Jul 27, 2005 12:04 AM

The poet is doing a nice job with words in this poem. I found them to be moving. But upon a third reading I started to think maybe the reduction of adjectives would have benefitted the piece like has been suggested in workshop many times. I do like this poem, though. I hear the echoes of loss and regret. Isuppose I am torn on this poem. It is almost whimsical. Maybe this poem is trying to be too many things, or maybe this critic is just reading too much into what is not there.

From: w w <redwheelbarrowpoet@gmail.com>Date: Jul 26, 2005 6:07 PM

I am thrown by the final line. Is the maid the same woman he speaks ofearlier or the woman who, perhaps, caused his lover to flee? Is this apassing fling in a visited city or his true love? The tone is strongand almost cursing to a point. I think "sadly" should be taken out asit tells the reader how to feel. The language reads like a work from a period long ago, perhaps in Elizabethan times. Words such as "bid,""truly" and "prey," seem overly dramatic. Also, "Dark bile," and "deed done wrong" interrupt the flow of the poem. I need more images here. I cannot picture the woman or the man, but I do sense his crazed anger and deep sorrow. The mood is evident. This is more of an emotional lyric, yet missing the mark in description as it tells the reader how to feel rather than describing the images that cause the speaker's pain. It has some possibilities yet needs to be more than just an emotion.

From: t e <hollowmenpoet@gmail.com>Date: Aug 6, 2005 12:27

I agree that overall this is a weak poem/sonnet, whatever you want to call it. Although it has an amusing flow to it, it's fairly superficial and doesn't really evoke any serious feeling except humor. I think this poet is probably evil and pathetic; i mean, imaginebeing caught with the maid! Not so nice